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Training for field trial
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I really dont know if flushing would be a problem…might be. But would seem to me that a good cooperative dog might be able to be taught the flush….thats a very good question that i dont really have a good answer on. Maybe someone with more in depth experience could help out with that question. maybe breeding the hard charging U.S. dog to a good european dog might be the answer. There are hard chargers here that are very independant (hardheaded) and others that are very cooperative.
yea Im getting it now. u use whoa we use down or sit similar. thanks! Im a bit afraid that some US imported blood brings dog that dont want to flush, and the flush is so important her. It probably isnt a problem but I still am concerned. but they certainly bring hard runners and that wins trials. I agree creeping after point is not ok her but adjusting is, there is a difference. The biggest difference is the result, mistake flush or not 😉
I can also see where you might think whoa is training to point but it is not. It is training them to stand on command…point is instictive…whoa allows us to stop the dog in its tracks anytime we want, especially when its time for hunters to flush bird.
These skittish birds is one of the reasons whoa is important here. Creeping after the point can cause birds to flush prematurely. If we want a dog to relocate a tap on the head is all thats required. Some wild bird dogs learn relocating by themselves. Some of the things we do with our dogs comes from our field trials and these are not always exactly like hunting (good or bad) and there is always the fact that people here like to tinker with thier dogs, sometimes more than needed.
I cant speak for all in the US and I am not highly knowledgable about all things pointer. Style is highly sought after in the US…and this is the reason for high tails and "whoa" its not really training the point but trianing that no movement should happen after the point. Most pointers were/are used for quail a good holding bird and there should be no need for movement after the bird is precisely located. Also in the west of US birds can be very skittish and not hold for dogs.
Interesting about what you say about the high quality precise point, I who'd guest that the fact that they "train the point?" could of covered up some bad pointing instincts', but obviously not. do you train point?
I´d say this is a perfect Scandinavian dog work. He tries to incise the points precision by moving a bit close then nailing it "only smaller adjustments are ok". On command exploding avance, flushing the bird and a absolute stop at wing. Great job great dog!
There is a risk using etch others material for breeding when we don't use them the same way. But if we choose carefully and not necessarily blindly the winner, there shore is some material that even fore us is useful, espial "as already said" endurance and strength.
I recieved a comment from overseas that my dog should not have a docked tail. Starting to believe that no matter what american breeders do to advance the sport it will be questioned. my dogs stubby tail points to the sky. I'm sure that somehow doesn't count. Although my freezer is full of wild game. Old lonely tyrants have dogs with the best form. Sadly. Any sport that requires impartial judging is fallable. Such as Ice skating and gymnastics.
I have american pointer and lab bat I have a friends they like Europe pointer dog and I see (in spanish) Campeonato de Europa de gran busqueda. Nice speedy dogs.
Some time I was in the Gary foro and I traied ( is correct?) to said like the europe are ( diferent american) bat I cann not to said good. I was sorry.
Your dogs are nice and good training europe mode. Congratulations.
American preferences are just different from rest of the world. Take an english setter, for example. USA breed are long legged, comparatively short haired, and required to point high on its feet, high tail. In europe, as in the rest of the world, an english setter has shorter legs, longer hair, has a bone structure and motion more canine like. These dogs ponit fully elongated, crouched, level tail, and this is an accepted and preferred style. Just different 😉
High tail is a desirable trait for american hunters and trialers only. Everywhere else, a level tail is most appreciated
If I was judging this dog in a field trial he would never place with that low of a tail never. A field trial is a breeders stake. Get a new dog if you want to be competive.
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